Yellow stuff pads

[optical illusion]

Want to upgrade in time for summer track days.

Pagid breaks have been suggested but are also known to be squeaky, and I would literally drive the car into a wall if my brakes squeaked. Don't even know if they would fit an fto either.

Anyone have these, comments, suggestions?

And no, I'm not getting grooved discs, my air filter already costs me a few hundred to declare

[optical illusion]

Oooh, just looking at camskill there, are they only for a gpx? I was under th impression they were low dust too, but it states clearly on the site that they are not...

[colm_mcm]

GPX and GPVR have the same brakes.

[gary d]

yellow stuff pads aren't really suitable fo road use, not a lot of bite in them until you get them up to working temperature. Which under normal driving conditions might be too late, if you get my drift "screech.....bang" I have green stuff pads on my GPX which are rated for fast road use and track days would recommend them. oh and no squeeling not too bad on the dust issue either. have you tried sourcing theese locally as camskill charge £14 for delivery and thats to N.Ireland what do they charge to Republic as outside U.K. surface mail

[steelroe]

extract from EBC catalogue here http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Assets/2008_UK ... alogue.pdf

Classic do’s and dont’s
 Do not fit Greenstuff on Impreza/Evo/M3/FTO - these cars deserve
and should be fitted with Redstuff Ceramic or Yellowstuff. To maintain front and rear brake balance it is always best to run the
same pads front and rear if possible. If not, use the following guide:
FRONT MATERIAL OK TO USE IN REAR
Greenstuff OE pads or Greenstuff
Redstuff Ceramic OE pads or Redstuff Ceramic
Yellowstuff ‘R’ Redstuff Ceramic or Yellowstuff ‘R’
Yellowstuff Redstuff Ceramic or Yellowstuff
Bluestuff Redstuff Ceramic or Bluestuff

[ikeane]

I had EBC greenstuff pads and upgraded to yellowstuff with grooved/dimpled discs so I cant really give a good comparison.
I do find the yellow pads a lot less dusty (whether they're meant to be or not). I cant say I've had any problems while the disks/pads were cold, maybe I havent had an oppurtunity to test them properly when cold as I do drive easy till the engine is at least warmed up a bit.

[Myfeckin FTO]

Re EBC pads - I think the general consensus over the years with regard to FTO application is that the newer V4 ceramic version of the greenstuff pads are considerably better. I found them to be a good "road pad" that didn't take long to get up to temperature.

I know many people found the harder compund Redstuff/Yellowstuff to be unsuitable for ageing FTO discs as they tended to wear out the discs easily. I guess if you're going to use Redstuff/Yellowstuff then you'll need upgraded discs. Redstuff/Yellowstuff will be much more suited for track driving but will take longer to get up to a usefull working temperature on the road.

Have to say there are probably much better options than EBC pads nowadays - Fitted some Mintex pads to my presious Zed and have to say they were pretty good but this was on Brembos and 328mm discs so it'll also depend on the application.

[d_dan]

I dont think yellow stuff pads will be that good for the fto... id go for red stuff... they are good for up to 200BHP

Yellowstuff for greater than 200BHP and 4wd

[CJ]

I agree with the guys, stay away from yellow stuff, consider red stuff if you plan for track action at some point or stick with green stuff for fast road.

CJ

[d_dan]

iv seen people slating great quality pads because they have chosen them for the wrong reasons.

Dont pick pads that are for +200BHP bacause your car is 209BHP fact is thats at peak power and normally well all sit in the 170-180 region.

Also the main thing is with the pads its all about the Temp. you could get pads for the track such as yellow stuff that need high breaking temp to perform to their best on road we all break slowly and theirfor not creating the needed temp so the pads will just slide along your disk rather than biting in

[gary d]

Another aspect to consider when preparing your brakes for track use is your brake fluid.
I qoute the following from a technical article in practical performance car.
"Good quality brake fluid is vital DOT5.1 being the best choice as it has a higher boiling point than DOT4 even when it has absorbed water from the atmosphere. For this reason it may be changed annually as opposed to 6 monthly for DOT4".
The next progressive step is to change any rubber brake hoses for those with a steel overbraid such as goodridge. The overbraiding serves to prevent bulging of the rubber hoses thus giving a more positive feel at the pedal and more consistent braking.

[d_dan]

with a track car id change the breakfluid more regularly than that... and change the break hoses to steel braided ones...

also never leave the handbreak up in the pits after being on the track just leave the car in gear

[TopCat]

Question - Is steel overbraid the same as steel braided?

[gary d]

with a track car id change the breakfluid more regularly than that... and change the break hoses to steel braided ones...

also never leave the handbreak up in the pits after being on the track just leave the car in gear

Good point about the handbrake forgot to mention that, I'm not sure that Lauras is purely a track car as she does mention that declaring her air filter to her insurance has cost her an increase of a couple of hundred. I would consider changing insurance broker that is extortion!!

[gary d]

Question - Is steel overbraid the same as steel braided?

Yes these are one and the same, the overbraiding I refer to is the outer steel braided sheath which fits over the rubber hose and is crimped in place by a steel sleeve at either end. Theese are not to be confused with larger bore steel reinforced hydraulic hoses where the steel braiding is actually impregnated in the construction of the hose. These are more commonly found in heavy industrial applications i.e. hydraulic rams etc.
The steel braided/overbraided hoses I refer to are those most commonly made by Goodridge who's kits are available from both camskill and ftooc shop.
I had to have a set of these made for my last car (suzuki baleno 1.6gs) as goodridge do not list them for this application

[d_dan]

I found for my breaklines expecialy something as important with the breaks. I got myself Steal braided coated hoses.

Which are steel braided hoses with clear plastic coating around to protect the steal threads in the hose then

[optical illusion]

So red or green? Occasional track use and tendancy for fast roads

Gary, don't talk to me, trust me I've tried 18 other insurers, for now my money still goes to Cavan

[d_dan]

RED stuff

[Muad_dib77]

I have green stuff on the front of the Legnum..

They're alright..as in better than the random stuff you get in hellfords.. but..From what I hear red stuff pads are alot better.

I've bought a set for the fto but not fitted them yet, also have brakelines grooved and drilled discs awaiting fitting..

If I was buying pads right now I'd be looking at mintex pads.

drove a Tip GR with GPX calipers and mintex pads a while back..

they worked VERY well, and judging by the look of the wheels they're not as dusty as the green stuffs either..Rest of the car was a mess though so I walked away..

[Bernard]

I have ferodos on mine, I'm not sure if they make them for FTOs but they're very good.

[Sebastian]

I have ferodos on mine, I'm not sure if they make them for FTOs but they're very good.

you show off

[Muad_dib77]

Aren't Ferodos the "fancy ones" they stock in halfords?

[d_dan]

I had ferodo pads in the FTO when I had standard breaks

[CJ]

The Ferodo DS range are highly rated pads and are certainly worth considering.

CJ