death of an fto

[ebrewer89]

Hi guys today has been a sad day for me as I have realised my fto needs more than I can give.i have been saving to fix up my fto for quite some time now.having recently in the last few weeks bought new front shocks,brake pads,timing belt water pump and tensioners tyres lightweight wheel nuts.and not so long back a colt rs lsd gearbox and flywheel etc etc..today I went to check my oil levels on toping up my windscreen washer bottle, as I could not stand the flashing orange light any more I seen that I have a dose of helmans mayonnaise in my engine . On needing a new headgasket or2 it is no longer a cost I can aford as am joining the raf in a matter of months.i hav not fitted the gearbox or timing belt kit and will now not be doing so.
Needles to say if anyone is interested in buying the car as is,pls contact me via pm.bearing mind the car has an awful lot of money spent on it and has many many extras.i know these cars aren't demanding a premium but stupid offers wil really hurt the car and my feelings
If no decent offers are about or no interest I will think about breaking the car as there are many exiting pieces to be claimed

[goz_83]

Maybe just leave it for now and then sort the MAYOnnaise issue later.

[Mick ah]

You'll never get what you put into her back unfortunately. The cars just aren't worth enough at the moment.

If you're not willing to let her go for a pittance (hopefully to someone who'll put the required love and care into her), then I'd agree with Goz.

Leave her until you can get around to fixing her. You'll be a happier man for it than if you break her.

Mick

[brccrx]

Very often if the car is lying up that stuff will form under the oil cap due to condenstaion, so dont cry yet, there still can be a chance its fine!

Wipe it of, drive the car for a few days everyday, (if You cant just let it warm up twice a day) if the white gunk its back engine needs work.

[ebrewer89]

Unfortunately the car is a daily driver and you can see the sludge in the head aswell so its definitely gone..I will put a list of parts up on here later on as I could realy do with the money and unfortunately will not be puting any more money into her as much as id like to see her back in mint condition.

[Myfeckin FTO]

What money would take the FTO away as is (inc all the spare bits)?

[ebrewer89]

To be honest I havent really thought about that I just have a rough idea what I want for the parts which will im sure bring more than selling as is but I will listen to offers? Pm if interesed

[optical illusion]

Sure engines are cheap enough aren't they, be a nice project for someone.

[ebrewer89]

Update..may not have headgasket gone.as bcrcrx said aboit it building up from condensation that may just be my problem,have cleaned it up and it hasn't come back.oil at the dipstick is perfect and no signs of oil in water this makes sence as the car runs perfectly and have seen no other sign of problems.this being said, I think I am still going to sell her as I will not be using it for quite some time as am leaving the country.but good news on the whole

[Myfeckin FTO]

That engine has big miles on it now - I'd say that the most obvious reason behind the mayonaisse (you also say you can see it in the head) is blow-by caused by wear to bore/rings etc

Have you done a compression test? - this will tell you a lot about the health of your cylinders.

Or a simpler test - run engine till warm and with engine running remove the oil cap ..

mist /smoke chuffing out? thats crankcase compression ..caused by worn bores/rings etc ....

Other possibilities could be a worn/leaky water seal.
Is there any smoke coming from the exhaust? Colour?

[ebrewer89]

Mileage is 238k, so yes is quite high but nothing rediculous.i havent done a compression test but did warm the car fully and took off oil cap as you said but nothing happend no mist or spits or smoke.there was also no pressure coming back through the hole.i must take a picture to show inside the head.it was only a small amount of creamy stuff in around the rocker cover just where you can look in at the filler hole.it was a very small dribble but none over cams or inner parts that I could see.
And no there is no smoke of any kind from exhaust.
I think the amount of very short journeys that I have been doing the last few months and never really allowing the car to get to working temperature and the cold weather may have been culprit to my scare.

[brccrx]

U call 238k km on 1995 car high mileage? lol.

If the white stuff not comming back every day thats a good sign!

That engine has big miles on it now - I'd say that the most obvious reason behind the mayonaisse (you also say you can see it in the head) is blow-by caused by wear to bore/rings etc

Could blow by have anything to do with condensation in the crank case?

[Myfeckin FTO]

U call 238k km on 1995 car high mileage? lol...?

Its high engine mileage on an FTO V6 mivec regardless of whether its a 1994 or 2001 FTO. I'm not saying that its not common (I'm sure most FTO's of this age are at similar miles) - my point is that there may very well be wear on the cylinders on what is a high revving performance engine that is likely to have had frequently high loads on it during those 238K miles.

[brccrx]

If thats km we on about thats not much, miles then that would be something but FTO's clocks are in km's afaik?

Cant agree to cylinder wear on Mitsubishi engines. Its not that easy done
Cracked piston rings due to lean running conditions, bottom ends that crap itself due to lack of oil changes, spark plugs pieces that melt on to piston, blown head gaskets, burnt out heads between cylinders, bent valves due to snapped timing belt or inproper belt tensioner instalation.
Even worn camshafts happens quite offten.

In fact ive yet never seen cylinder wall damage on Mitsi engine tbh.

[Myfeckin FTO]

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Cant agree to cylinder wear on Mitsubishi engines. Its not that easy done
Cracked piston rings due to lean running conditions, bottom ends that crap itself due to lack of oil changes, spark plugs pieces that melt on to piston, blown head gaskets, burnt out heads between cylinders, bent valves due to snapped timing belt or inproper belt tensioner instalation.
Even worn camshafts happens quite offten.

In fact ive yet never seen cylinder wall damage on Mitsi engine tbh.

Yep - when I said wear on the cylinder I wasn't just talking about the cylinder lining - as you say worn piston rings could also be the issue - in either case they will display the same early symptoms.
A compression test on each cylinder will show which ones are most affected.

If this FTO was mine (and it used to be) a compression test would be my first port of call.

[brccrx]

Yes, its a good idea to do that test, just to see what condition engine realy is. Fully charged battery is a must then

[mivecrx]

Would worn piston rings allow water to mix with oil? I thought that would result in the oil level rising because of fuel dilution.

[brccrx]

Not really, blown headgasket or head problems generaly would cause that i think but sure im not a specialist just know what i read online.

[ebrewer89]

No oil in my water or water in my oil js a lil drop of cream on oil cap.and none since cleaned.happy bunny not sure ob the selling or breaking now.cant really brung myself to do it as was the case lastime I thought of selling.
Unless a nice offer comes my way I think I will just keep her. maybe sell 4 a nice e39 m5 over the waters in 6 or so months

[mivecrx]

No oil in my water or water in my oil js a lil drop of cream on oil cap.and none since cleaned.happy bunny not sure ob the selling or breaking now.cant really brung myself to do it as was the case lastime I thought of selling.
Unless a nice offer comes my way I think I will just keep her. maybe sell 4 a nice e39 m5 over the waters in 6 or so months

I'd say condensation was your problem.

Do you think that it's worth an E39 M5 or am I picking you up wrong??

[ebrewer89]

Noo noo noo very wrong.no not atal thinking that,I would definately be needing to sign myself into some sort of asylum thinking that. Tumble weed rolling around in my head sort of job .i ment that will probably be the time I sell when I come to buy one for the simple fact of a little extra cash and have never been a fan of running 2 cars.

[mivecrx]

Noo noo noo very wrong.no not atal thinking that,I would definately be needing to sign myself into some sort of asylum thinking that. Tumble weed rolling around in my head sort of job .i ment that will probably be the time I sell when I come to buy one for the simple fact of a little extra cash and have never been a fan of running 2 cars.

You had me worried there lol,,,, be a pain in the hole to run them to cars anyway.

[Myfeckin FTO]

Would worn piston rings allow water to mix with oil? I thought that would result in the oil level rising because of fuel dilution.

A worn piston won't neccessarily mean water in the oil - depends on what damage there is. I was just going on the symptoms (evidence of water in the oil) and apart from Headgasket/waterseal failures then there could be coolant getting in at some point of the cylinder caused by a worn cylinder or by blow by which has elements of water vapour (steam) which could account for the small volume of water in the oil.

I've been down this road with a couple of performance engines in the past - and a compression test is your best place to start as it'll tell a lot.

Personally if I was to buy this FTO (for the money ebrewer seems to be looking for it) then I'd want results of the compression test.

[ebrewer89]

I would have no problem geting a compression test done.when I am able to get this done I am not sure at the moment.myfeckin im not sure what you think I value this car at..clearly an extortionate price,just after an offer of 500euro I think that was a bit of a low blow Especialy given the money that has been spent just in the last nonth on the car.

[Myfeckin FTO]

I would have no problem geting a compression test done.when I am able to get this done I am not sure at the moment.myfeckin im not sure what you think I value this car at..clearly an extortionate price,just after an offer of 500euro I think that was a bit of a low blow Especialy given the money that has been spent just in the last nonth on the car.

Well you wouldn't previously consider my offer of a few months ago of 1600 (far more than you yourself paid for this FTO) when the FTO didn't have this fault.

The offer of €500 (plus more if the condition of the FTO was good) was made on the (early) assumption that I would have to get a replacement engine.
If you can provide a compression test result that proves the health of the engine then I'll put my money where my mouth is - otherwise for me its likely that there would be further work required and any offer would take this into account.

As you say you could break the FTO - whats the value of the parts?